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Nick Pope investigator of obni celebrates: Mr. Nick Pope worked for the Ministry of Defense in the U. K. It was responsible investigations of obni for three years. It is the author of several books of obni and appeared in the various documentaries and the programs of tv.
Ken: The webmestre of Facts Retrieves the Magazine of Internet.
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Ken:
First of all I want to thank you for discussion, I appreciate it really and I thought that maybe, since I have a mixed audience, there not all obni polishes, I thought that you could like to enter into your duties to the position that you had at the Ministry of Defense to the United Kingdom and we say maybe books that you wrote?

Nick Pope:
Sure, well I left only the British Ministry of Defense the last year, after a 21 careers of year. The manner that the one is attached to a post, is there that they do are, they move you every 2 or 3 years to the different posts. In my number of years there, I did a number of different jobs there, all the same interest. The a that I suppose that I more better am known for were of 1991 by 1994. I worked in a division where my must included to prepare and the investigation in the mystery of obni. Although the this was not in the definite term of reference, you cannot run a project of obni without the conclusion you on the end of reception of does not import what, therefore by default I was brought back to the strange and wonderful things. If I was drawn in to the something else as the foreign abductions and crops circles, the ghosts and the removed view, for that is my bottom.

Ken:
Well so now maybe you allow us know certain of the books that you wrote?

Nick Pope:
I wrote two books non-fiction, one called "To Open Skies, the Spirits Closed", that was a general general idea of the phenomenon of obni, the book has concentrated the research and the investigations official only, and I wrote also it "non-guest". And the only point in every Summer that they set up themselves on the foreign abductions. I decided also really to speculate, I suppose, combine certain of that I learned from the obni with the wider problems of direction of crisis in a government environment. I decided to write to two novels of science fiction, based on the foreign invasion, called the Child of Thunder of Operation and the Strike of Eclair of Operation and those were Roman really of the speculative ones and I had a little entertainment with the content but the principal thing is that they claimed to be a beings or superior lifeforms.

Ken:
Well I imagine myself that it must frustrate you completely when some people think that you have all the responses to the questions of obni and they will not accept just the responses that you give the. Which was your encounter more frustrating?

Nick Pope:
Well yes, I think that you hit the nail on the head there. I think that some people accused me of is part of the cover on me. I was painted, at least in the United Kingdom, to be a type of the true man in the character of type of black one. Yes you are completely just that there are some people that thinks that I all knowledge of the phenomenon of obni, they want a quick response and they want a solution and they think that I know where the smoking rifle is and when they hear the response, certainly also moved away as I am conscious in the United Kingdom that while the British government and the Air Force Examined thousands And case thousands, I am sure that we will obtain in that all on time, someone were stalked on the radar, some view by the pilots, we have not the response, we do not know that the phenomena of obni represent. Most of are a case of bad identification of course, but we do not know what that unknown 5% is. The possibility remains of these things is extraterrestrial and in fact that the declaration can be seen on the site internet of MOD, but we have not proof that of the points to obni are extraterrestrial and we have not proof lasts. There is not space ship in the hangers here in the United Kingdom.

Ken:
The revelation project obtained some press for the last few years and I saw your mentioned name in certain of the items on the site. Corrects me if I am wrong, you spoke as a witness, did not do you?

Nick Pope:
Ouais, because I had written books on the subject. By the manner I should clarify that I am in no direction a soufflerie of sifflet. My book and in fact all my major activities were clarifyed with the Ministry of Defense. Just as the former government or the army or the wishes of officer of intelligence to write books and I am sure the position in America and in fact all around the world is, that whoever wants to write really a book and wanted to draw on their official work to write a book after they left, this book must crosses an executive very detailed procedure for Classified information. I of course, because I take my secret oath very seriously, I have of course followed this system to the letter. So at all to have I am called the traitre or simply the soufflerie of sifflet, speaking out or reverse the type of beans of thing. Yes, indeed, the fine, reply to the question. These information are in the public domain of obni, that is in my book. I has not any objection to have my name added to a list of witnesses. There was a number of other people on this list known to me, as Hill norton of Lord the former boss of personnel of defense, here in the MOD and a lot more superior one than I and his name was there also, therefore I just felt me that if it could help having my name on the list, someone that is the bottom could be verified by a track of This I that am I said that I was, that I felt just that it would do some vouchers and I put my name on the list.

Ken:
Do you think that they have a chance arrives to their mission to obtain all the documents of obni the declassified access and to win to the foreign technology if the in fact foreign technology exists?

Nick Pope:
I do not know. I can only speaks of course with any authority and any knowledge of the United Kingdom, I do not know that the news are able always or cannot exist still in the United States that was not relaxed or was declassified, therefore the honest response I is does not know. I wish them well, maybe there is a rifle smoking, but as I said preceding, if there is a rifle smoking, it certainly is not in the U.K. His step a that I was put to the current on.

Ken:
When you testified before the Project of Revelation said you, and I hope that I quote this correctly, "And if, as the governments say uniformly when the politicians probe on this problem or when the media ask, that there is really of nothing to be concerned with, then to approve, we allow view all the data". Mean-t this that you believe that the important data of obni are kept public?

Nick Pope:
No it does not mean. .. That quotation is precise, but that I mean by this quotation is maybe lightly different something of the manner in which it was interpreted. What I spoke really of was the liberty of information. I spoke in the race at the top of the introduction of British Liberty of Effective Information, that a lot of your readers cannot go counts did not come really in the force until 2005, where I know that maybe it was adapted to the Americans. But er that I thought about the news that I knew was about to to be relaxed. I encouraged really my colleagues, as the it was, kiss the Liberty of Effective Information, kiss the government concept open, they have and recognize at least that there can be a huge degree of interest in the news of obni and in fact my prediction proved correct. The British Ministry of Defense receives more Liberty of Information Be a question of the complaints relating to obni than no subject other, including the war in Iraq. If my quotation anticipated really the huge interest and in fact, the MOD had unveiled hundreds on the hundreds of pages of certain documents of which one these were classified at the level of United Kingdom Eyes Secret Only, certain of which one these were the pretty interest. None of these information although was obtained by an extraterrestrial presence. I mean that it there really has the kind to continue something. The good proof suggests tangible something as the observations of obni and they are not all bad identification, all canulars or all illusions, but we do not know that they are.

Ken:
That is an interesting fact that you gave me just that there is more investigations than on Iraq, I that did not know me.

Nick Pope:
Yes, the this is the phenomenal just interest, a lot of it of the media, certain of him of the community of obni and individuals that wants to use just the Liberty of Effective Information to read of him and maybe the details of check of their own observations and sees although the investigation can or could not have intervened. But ouais there is an absolutely phenomenal quantity of requests on the subject that enter during the years and the this is that in a manner interesting, that took to decides in the latter months, doing that the French governments did earlier this year and saying instead of this little by little approaches it, just filling the fissures, this approach revives, just governing Which the French did, posting the entire archive and that is currently under the consideration.

Ken:
I was not going to ask this question, but since we brought up to this subject, I saw a grade that is posted on Internet. Be saying, the name is redacted, but it seems come from someone that is very high in the Ministry of Defense and it retrieves himself to put the data on Internet and it the kind of suggest that one of the reasons that they want put all the data on Internet are that themselves they do not put it all on, they can say to the people that to

Nick Pope:
Yes I saw this document. The this is a very difficult problem. I do not think the person that wrote that wanted to do imports what by in under. Meant the whole person was that under the Liberty of Information Acts these information is about to to be relaxed, you can reply in fact to a request and say that we treat this file now. Instead of replying to your individual request, if you can await some weeks, the entire batch will be posted on Internet. The this is a lot easier one to obtain it from Internet than the National Archives, because the National Archives you have the visit. The this is very difficult for someone that is not in communication. You know that once his on Internet, almost does not import that with the access to Internet can find it. The no one tried not to do imports what by in under they said just that this is that the law says that you can do. We had the discovery a manner, considering the request volume, this to do a little more manageable. Completely frankly, my former colleagues absolutely flow there in a sea of Liberty of Information Be a question of the ask.

Ken:
I can imagine myself.

Nick Pope:
They do not try fairly to be difficult with him but they has just need of someone to cut them a little soft.

Ken:
The old obni seem to be an interest subject with a lot of persons. The Ministry of Defense never did it find proofs of obni or the old objects, that could indicate that obni landed on Earth some time in our passed, or that some old race could have existed on Earth that could have had capacity of trips in the space?

Nick Pope:
No, I never saw any research done on this question. A lot the terms of reference that we worked some under a lot were adapted to the current position. , Examining in of other terms the reports of obni as they entered to see if there was proof of a threat or a proof of a threat of security, as the it was. I can prepares, but the historic research was gathered on, the this would have been outside the system of reference. Frankly I obtained two or three hundred obni retrieves every year, that must is my priority.

Ken:
I guess that kept you the type of occupied?

Nick Pope:
Ouais, absolutely. I am conscious of course of the literature of all kinds of people, Von Daniken, Velikovsky and a lot a lot of others, Hancock of Graham. His an interesting sector, but his step something that I examined and his step a sector that is interested the MOD as removed as I am conscious of.

Ken:
I would like to ask a personal question, it must does with the question I you asked yourself just. There are the pictures of cave and the old statues that someone interpreted as painting men in the spatial processes. There are also bones of gigantic people that were found in the tombs in the different locations, you believe that our ancestors could have met people of the other planets, or that we could have come ourselves from the other planets and made a decision for the Earth?

Nick Pope:
I will give you the honest response again, I do not know. I saw certain of those break pictures and to the first blow of eye they look at certainly the same interest, but I know also as the skeptical people say as we do not understand really the psychology of our ancestors. Certain of these pictures could not be visual, they could be allegorical. They could represent it with a spatial helmet on, but they are able just as represent easily some archetypical demon of a dream or a nightmare.

Ken:
Which observations celebrate obni did arrive during your watch and which did them as much of you yourself interesting more certain of the other observations of obni?

Nick Pope:
The case more significant on my service period was something generically called the Incident of Cosford. You can go to the site internet of Defense of Ministry and thereto, by the manner is just, MOD.Royaume-Uni and if you put in Cosford this is one of the case files that the Ministry of Defense already relaxed and it runs to more than 100 pages of documentation, the this is well the value the look. This was a case where on a period of almost 6 hours we had a number of observations of different obni of the 30th one to the 31st March 1993. We had the observations of obni of a number of different sectors of the United Kingdom, seen by the witnesses that included not poorly military personnel and them police officers. The description varied, with the reports of big triangular formed trade that well enough were represented in the case files. Most of to interest was that obni flew across two bases of Army of the air. Cosford had them, then a close basis called Shawbury and seen by a patrol of officers of police of Army of the air to the first basis and seen by a meteorological officer as a flying not identified object to the second basis. His size was at mi-chemin between a C-130 transportations of Hercules and a Boeing 747. While clearly near to the basis, came there a low frequency humming come from his trade that inspired American military fighters on the ground and of a very slow rhythm that it has accelerated probably far very quickly. There was witness that had been in the air Army 8 years and saw military throws, the helicopters on a daily basis. So clearly, the witnesses are as that the pretty interest. We launched a very detailed investigation, one of the first things that we did were the check the bands of radar. There were some readings not very conclusive, but nothing could hang you your hat on. Certain of my colleagues of Army of the air, that I did go out, said although it could be just the disorder of ground. It arrives sometimes with of systems of radar to the basis. Nothing to say to that and even my very skeptical head of division, when it wrote on this event about two or three weeks, summarizing after this investigation, writes to the auxiliary boss of the Army of the air, a two stars military chief and it said briefly, briefly in the summary, that it seemed there to have some proof that an object or an objects, flew across the United Kingdom. Now that is about as close as you never will obtain to the word on the subject that ouais, there is something here and his true one, of course none of that means an extraterrestrial one. His certainly a case that changed the spirits of a lot of people, the civil employees and the military colleagues that were put to the current over.

Ken:
As know us, a lot of different satellites have the capacity to look at down below and also the spatial shuttle has the capacity to take imagines the two to look at down below and looking at out in the space and the United States took some pictures of some unknown objects. Where the observations never were implied you with the project with the MOD were taken by the satellites, of obni?

Nick Pope:
No I was not implied in does not import what likes that, having said that, that I did, an organization that I worked with was a basis of army of the air called Fylingdales that was part of the ballistic missile warning early the system. Fylingdales had of course a network of space stalking the radar and were part of a system to stalk about 8 thousand objects in the space as the satellites and a key diminished of an astronaut and when I did my investigations of obni with the agency, there were two agents to Fylingdales. That is just a sector that I cannot enter into in the least details.

Ken:
I understand

Nick Pope:
Having said that, I will say you an anecdotic history that you could find just to interest. I had just checks it the capacity that we had with one of my colleagues and it said, well yes see us sometimes things very of the strange ones here. As the things traveling to the speeds of 15,000 or 20,000 thousand miles by the hour, or something likes that. We call them all dynamic persons.

Ken:
I can stop you for a second and you ask a quick question?

Nick Pope:
Sure.

Ken:
They never saw that does not import although they thought could have hit the speed of light or surpassed light speed?

Nick Pope:
No They talked about the speeds of 15,000 to 20,000 miles by the hour. They said ouais, we call them the dynamic persons. Well I said grieved, but how do you know that they are dynamic persons? They said because they go very quickly. If the it was a type of take 22. The research of obni of a lot of governments is as that, it can frustrate completely. You do not obtain really all the responses, because every time that you reply to a question, you obtain another the one.
Ken:
Did you have the access to no other reports of obni, as the reports or as the European reports of the United States?

Nick Pope:
From the viewpoint of the reference that we a lot were limited to the United Kingdom, nevertheless on the occasion obtained us from the reports besides, you could not examine them really because you had not jurisdiction. But that I did on the occasion was a little liaison, in particular with the Belgians. There was a wave very celebrates observations on Belgium in 1989 and in 1990. I immediately, when I examined Cosford, I recognized immediately the analogy with what arrived to Belgium. Was not it less the personnel that says that I link up the observations of principal Belgium of 30 31st one of March 1990 and the incident of Cosford himself was 31st March 1993. See that in himself is interesting as was the Fact that treat us the big triangular formed trade that are able to maneuver to a very completely rate of speed. If I contacted our attaches air to our British embassy to Brussels and it had said that a call was done to two pilots of the Army of the Belgian air and they had jumbled and had tried to intercept the obni, and a call was done to Major General Of Brower, the Belgian officer that after these incidents gave a press conference on. Yes this was a major history of new ones.

Ken:
I think that this was televised.

Nick Pope:
Yes and certainly I had it me confirmed by the embassy. Yes, all you read of this and the it was to the TV. Please not to forget that the Army of the Belgian air, the Belgian government, the pilot, and the personnel of defense of general air and the principal seat of defense of Belgian Air, all swellings that the trade was a true solid object and there was an almost funny history and anecdotic funny at the end of this. The it was, well the goodness of thank you that they were friendly, because themselves they had not were, we could not have done really a lot of of it.

Ken:
Who exactly.
I know that you discussed this a lot time, but I am under the impression that you consider the case of obni of Forest of Rendlesam to be one of the more important one. Is that correct?

Nick Pope:
Yes in fact. Although it arrived in the years 80 before I have joined the Ministry of Defense. I obtained soon of the questions of that. The representatives asked the questions of him, the army informed itself on him, the people of obni informed themselves on him. So of course, one of the first things that I did when I took my post to the project of obni, was to pull the file in top. First, of course, I extremely was interested because you had a report of a landed obni. We had numerous United States Air the witnesses of Force. We had the readings of taken radiances to the landing site. We had a personnel of intelligence of defense of experts that declared that the radiance readings had been "significantly higher than the bottom" and again there is another file, another file of case that is on the site internet of MOD for the people to see. Once I obtained beyond my interest, I became a little concerned, I never like critical my former colleagues, the it is just a question of loyalty and the professional courtesy, but I must says the investigation, the original investigation, was not checked, does I say, the manner that I would have checked it.

Ken:
A lot of persons feel as that, ouais..

Nick Pope:
A number of basic things that I think should have been done, were not done. The thing the more logic that should have been done, that was not done, was the immediate one to contain site of landing, the guards of post and the protects over of decontamination. A something else that was not done was to take it samples of ground and of samples of check of immediately the exterior one of the zone of landing. Maybe worse of all, we had efficiently two parallel investigations. The United States Air the Force interviewait actively the various witnesses and take the declarations and the trade details, the sketches and the detailed, just descriptions down below to the hiedroglyphes seen on the side. The Ministry of Defense was the sending of occupied the radiance readings, obtaining the intelligence on the trade, obtaining an evaluation on the radar band, but person the person was responsible. Person only the person assured herself that all these data were divided, therefore you had a strange position where the Ministry of Defense knew that the radiance readings were significantly higher than the bottom, but did not give to this does to the United States Airs the Force. The United States Air the Force did not pass the declarations of witness to the Ministry of Defense, for the sketches of example of the trade with the brands on the side, for that is just to begin, I probably could write a critic a lot more detailed one that probably would continue for the pages. Those are certain of the errors.

Ken:
Well you to allow me to ask this then, Gordon Edward Williams was a Major General, I think. It was implied in this, with the Brentwaters Woodbridge obni and it declared, just recently, that it spoke in fact to a foreigner.

Nick Pope:
Well I am not sure that it said that. I saw did it a report on Internet, but I would very be astonished if the it was a first quotation of hand. I mean that I sat indeed, together with an obni a civil researcher Georgina Tanned, that wrote a book on this. We sat and let us have dined with the General some years there is and it did certainly no such complaint. I extremely would be astonished, I am not sure that the source of that is, I have a sensation that his a second or a third quotation of hand.

Ken:
Ouais you are probably just, I do not know the source or, I arrived to see it just.

Nick Pope:
I do not think that it did the quotation, I do not think that it saw the obni, to say nothing of the extraterrestrial ones. Just to return to the investigation on a question criticizes, an investigation of obni should be similar in a manner, to a police investigation with of things that you done. In of other terms need you an investigation project, a discussion, a witnesses, identify, resume and analyze proof. These two wisps, as the it was, are common in the investigations of police and the investigations of obni. One of the things that can do an error in or the investigation is the delay and the delay was a factor criticizes, I am afraid, in the investigation of Forest of Rendlesham. In left because there was a period criticizes and a lot of the personal key was on vacation. I think that it exposed a gap, as the it was, by virtue of the Fact that there should have been a procedure of operation of norm, for that everyone should have known that their actions should have been. Rather, I think, everyone ran around the word oh that then before that do we, we never had does not import what likes this?

Ken:
Do you think that that is because no one takes an investigation of obni very seriously?

Nick Pope:
I think that that is a big party of him. I consent a lot if by the same nature of the obni of word. Some people will roll their eyes and begin humming the X'S FILES, all kinds of mockery potentielle, and I suppose that that is why the pilots of Army of the air that saw that obni never retrieved them, probably because they feared the mockery. They felt that the order chain could question their judgement and their psychological state, such is life. Ouais I think that that was the factor criticizes maybe in what did an error in the investigation to Rendlesham. They thought, the obni that do we? In fact that was one of the reasons, when I filled the post, we tried forbidding the usage of the obni of word, at least in our internal discussions. We tried to replace it with UAP the non identified Phenomenon of Ariel. We felt that we tried just to rebrand the entire phenomenon in a more scientific manner, because the it was because of the nature criticizes obni and I think that your audience attributed this to a political forum or military officer or governmental.

Ken:
Did you never hear about an accident of obni in the British Empire?

Nick Pope:
I saw certainly, does say us, all kinds of second and the third reports of hand, but certainly I did not see a first report of hand. I think that which is a potential site of accident to the various researchers will prove themselves inevitably to be an airplane accident, or a dynamic person, or in fact, just a very big history. For that, yes I heard a lot a lot of histories, but really only in the literature of obni, not in any of the files of case of MOD.

Ken:
I do not know if you can reply to the next question or not? Project the Blue Book had almost 4 employees. How were many worked people to the project of obni to the MOD and which their had?

Nick Pope:
Well it it was efficiently just me and an officer of administrative duty in a support role. Having said that, of course you must understand, that does not say the entire history of what we could not do, or could be it that they were not full-time on the project, but does not import when we wanted, we could bring back. If we were the one, as the it was, to the canvas center, but we could bring back, for example, Officers of Army of the air to seize the radar bands, then to choose them on and the analysis, obtain the special personnel, the special equipment and the inspections of brand of personnel and of equipment. To assure itself that we had the personnel and the special equipment to hit by the formality to obtain the radar bands to Fylingdales, for that when you look at the Blue Book and you look at us, it seems as the very small numbers. I hope and thinks that we hit above our weight.

Ken:
I think that you did.
You has never fell on any case of obni that was in order not to to be the cases of obni, just some people following a program?

Nick Pope:
Do you mean an out and out canular?

Ken:
Well a canular or something where they used it to do a reputation for itself.

Nick Pope:
No, not in an official capacity. I fell on all kinds of canulars, the jokes, the things as that. There is a number of videos and things as that. I do not speak any does not import what it officer, we did not continue file to divide the sites, as Youtube and the things, that you see on almost a daily basis. They are that I suspect, viral country commercialisatione or some designer puts in the evidence their talents and have a little entertainment with a canular. I think that that is something that always continued. Of return in the years 50, the people tried to cheat the Ministry of Defense by cutting literally the forms of saucer and the glue to their window and take a photograph. If his always continued. His just one that the technology to do it obtains more artificial, but I do not think, climb a canular always was a part of the problem, but the this is a tiny party of the problem. Again without entering into the details of the disgusting ease we had had ourselves all kinds of specialists, the equipment and in fact the personnel to analyze these things, that easily could notice very a false one.

Ken:
Upright.
Well it next question I have you just request. I ask you only because there is so many rumors on Internet. You never saw document that indicates that the Nazis arrived to the construction of a flying saucer and that it could have been copied by the victorious forces and that do we see that today is the version of modern day of him?

Nick Pope:
No, I think that one of the trade points in disc form are that they are unbelievably unstable and this would be a very form very difficult to fly. Now I do not dispute, the this is a report question that there were the airplane designers that thought about these things, but I do not believe and I does not see any proof to suggest that the Nazis never obtained does not import what vaguely likes a functioning prototype, to say nothing of an operational trade and leaves the face it, this was the total war, if Thing likes that, a trade as that, they do It. I do not think that the thought or the ideas of such a trade went very moved away from the counsel of drawing.

Ken:
The United States had at least an incident where several missiles were closed and prevented to return on the launch statute ready, while an obni glided on the silos. An example of this arrived to Bases Army of the air of Malmstrom, Montana, in 1967. This would seem to be a threat to the world defenses. To correct me if I am wrong, but the British government said in the past that obni does not put any threat. To which conclusion the British government never did it examine this incident and if yes, they came if you know?

Nick Pope:
I do not know. I am conscious of the case of the literature. I am not sure if the Americans never divided information on that with the British government. I do not do, be honest, know if the British government never asked the Americans for a report on that. Then, yes, grieved I do not know.

Ken:
Well this the response.
It seems there to have an observation eruption by the pilots of aerial line. The one was retrieved on the Iles anglo-normandes in the month of April [2007] and it was said to be of a wide mile. How the can something this size, which is seen by a professional pilot, or in this case two pilots in two different airplanes, is refuted or even neglected by the government or you think that they secret examine the observations?

Nick Pope:
Well I know this case. I think that which could have been called an obni could have been two obni and not as much as a long mile. I did not hear officially. I think that I reminder having a discussion with the pilot interested. His name is Ray Bowyer in which it said although was just an estimation of something very to the far, I think that I could have it resolved. If this is really not something of value. Having said that, maybe it this is a wide mile seems to be extreme interest, in the short one run, the MOD examined and there is a case file, a very small one an and again it this is on the site internet of MOD. If you look for the term obni, the Iles anglo-normandes, you will find it. I think that the this is of a half dozen of pages. Well again I do not like critical, but the this is not the investigation more detailed in the world and person seems exactly which knowledge type of detector of radar there was at the airport security, that I would have thought would have been the first question that they asked. If there is does not import what new to continue or in fact the administrations of the civil aviation could know something also, I know. The this can be that the pressure of the journalists and of Parliament and the community of obni could cause the MOD to examine a little. There is a small file of case over and in fact now of Ray Bowyer, the pilot, and of one of the other sources in the aviation community here there seems to be an indication that they treat to stalk it on the radar and there seem to be conclusion corroboration. If these things say a lot.

Ken:
Well.
It is said that only the one in seven observations is retrieved. When it is a matter of the pilots of aerial line, probably a lot less retrieves there, because they are afraid of to lose their jobs. The pilots of aerial line could be just in the better position to see than obni and could have a bigger removed number of observations. Do you Etes-vous agreed with this declaration and if no, why?

Nick Pope:
Yes I agree with him and I guess his true one of pilots pilot aerial line military officer and civil, a lot of that said me, to confidential title, of observations of obni and a lot of that said me that they did not write a report, because they feared for their jobs or they feared the mockery of their colleagues or they knew. His extremely unfortunate one. Technically, the report is this optional step that the is obligatory, notably if the object comes rather close to present a potential danger. By train, all pilots must do that and I think that it encourages that there was several more during the years, but I think that there always is a work to be done in the sale of this message to the aviation community. The this is not something to be bothered of, frankly it this should be in training. His same interest, some years there is beforehand, the Ministry of Defense published a beforehand discussion extremely classified on obni and one of the recommendations related to the flight security, therefore there is a problem completely outside of what obni are, having the flight security as the problem and certainly I am conscious of completely a number of case There had a close collision between the airplane and obni.

Ken:
To does any of the reports that you received on the subjects non-obni never seems to secure in an observation of legitimate obni? For example never obtained you a paranormal report and it was that the it was really an obni noticing that they talked about?

Nick Pope:
No, I obtained, I think that I mentioned at first, I obtained from the reports as the foreign abductions, the circles of harvest and the ghosts. All these observations had tendency to be enough partitioned. I always am prudent bad science in explaining a general idea by another. I mean literally, I would obtain a report of some guard saying that they were on the patrol in the evening and saw a face walk shady by a wall for example. I would consider that as a ghost report. I had not it a lot to do with, I did not try and explained a mystery by another.

Ken:
Giorgio Bonguivanni met with the Russian army after obtaining from permission of old the President Gorbverchov doing if. The Russians replied questions retrieving themselves to obni. The Russian general that was interviewed said that it believed that there were strengths otherwise that the humans and they foresaw something of us and that the news are kept by Russia and the United States on obni. Which is your opinion of his declaration and it astonishes you that it was so frank?

Nick Pope:
Well again I know that there is so many declarations that do the round ones that are false

Ken:
Can I interrupt you on this?

Nick Pope:
Ouais.

Ken:
This was on a dvd. The overall meeting was recorded on the video.

Nick Pope:
If was this the general of first hand?

Ken:
Unless the dvd is a fraud.

Nick Pope:
Well, well I better not, for the legal reasons, descend this road. Yes, of course I must sees the commentaries in the context.

Ken:
You are well familiar with Mr. Giorgio Bonguivanni, it is has. has....

Nick Pope:
Yes I believe that I met it, it is a stigmatized one.

Ken:
Exactly.

Nick Pope:
Yes I met it some years ago to London. If ouais, I know it. In fact I could have seen the dvd or the one certainly a lot as him. I saw that all kinds of Soviet military former personnel speak on obni. What I listen inevitably, is someone adjusting. I do not know the Russian if I do not know if all is received the literal direction, or the commentaries are simply conviction. For Hill norton of Lord of example, that I mentioned preceding, continued the public report a number of time saying that it believed that there was a cover in top. It did not know, that was his conviction.

Ken:
Well that is that the general claimed also, it said just his conviction.

Nick Pope:
If this conviction comes from the knowledge or first proof of hand, we do not know.

Ken:
I guess knows you Bobsled Lazar?

Nick Pope:
Yes,

Ken:
Do you think that it worked in fact to Sector 51 and you think that it saw in fact a flying saucer?

Nick Pope:
Again I will have the return fall on I do not know. My only knowledge of this is by the literature of obni therefore I am better in my work qualifying than I did.

Ken:
Well, I obtained a more interesting question. A famous general idea arrived to the Harbor to long wicks to Canada October 4, 1967, where an obni crashed be saying in water and a second the one came to help it. There were all kinds of histories of the boats of American and Canadian the hunt and the dishwashers visionary the trade and them same foreigners. What do you think that there is the truth to any of this and if no, the objects could have been that seemed to be able to sail while to fly and also while submerged?

Nick Pope:
Well again I know this case, but I am grieved to keep. ....

Ken:
I ask only a personal opinion.

Nick Pope:
Again, I do not know really. His step a case that I did the studies to the MOD. Again I do not know really more or less than does not import that of other. I read the item of curious magazine. There is an old word used by the intelligence analysts everywhere in the world. The sentence is interesting so true.

Ken:
This a voucher the one.

Nick Pope:
In the cases likes this his fort to say. You know if I you interviewais and asked a response to only every case in Great Britain, Canada and America I think that the this would be terribly suspicious. No expert that I know, knows it all.

Ken:
I did not ask you really the opinion experte in this, I wanted just knowledge that you felt of him.

Nick Pope:
I will have the return fall on the, itself interesting so true.

Ken:
Well.
I see where the Ministry of Defense relaxed 29 observations and they seem to be on Lincolnshire in Great Britain and they cover several years. There is the reason that you know of, that so many observations would be in the same sector, as an experimental military trade is tried in this sector? You never noticed that the reports of more of obni came from a place, more than the others?

Nick Pope:
I think that which arrived there is that you could have are a report of local press. What arrived on the last one several months, is that the Ministry of Defense relaxed the leaves of summary of all observations of obni were under the authority of the department of 1998 to 2006, but which arrived is that all the local media seized on this, they found it on the Ministry of site internet of Defense, therefore they ran histories, Sector, therefore you obtained a lot of people The word found us 20 observations of obni in Lincolnshire during the latter years. What they do not continue to say, is that themselves they look at the summary leaves in their entire one, that every year there are more than hundred reports that come from the different locations. I think that you obtained here retrieving just of the things in their own sector. Having said that, there are occasional hot points and I asked one of my administrative personnel to return by the files to try and do an isolated card and tries and precise these observations geographically. In a manner interesting, that you obtained, er, that you have is basically a card of density of population. Which only proves essentially that if there is an observation of more than 50 obni people go it in all probability to see, probably not. The hot points of obni prove in fact to be big cities, London, Manchester and Liverpool in Great Britain.

Ken:
We always were under the impression that if there were hot points that they would prove electric central to be nuclear power, etc.

Nick Pope:
Well there is something there, that you call you muster in the interesting manners, the this is completely controversial. The military bases for example, had the incidents of a lot of obni, the Forest of Randlesham, Woodbridge, the incident of Cosford although indeed, there are several dozens of reports of obni all around the country that retrieves itself to the military bases. If that means that the obni are interested in these sites or if the it is just that these sites are where the witnesses are induced observers and they are conscious obni or more probable they are more inclined to be examined.

Ken:
You has never examines any reports of abduction?

Nick Pope:
Yes, having said that, I think that the examined word could be difficult to describe that. The this is that you could call, from the viewpoint of the reference, in depth, maybe a dozen more or less. While except to do in a manner of something outside our system of reference, as the people call in and doing to back up hypothetical, that is very controversial and that the thing kind. The it is questionable, I think, morally. Now that I tried to do was to give them the professionels and the against of regression and to indicate them to the researchers of civil obni. If I obtained the report, I am not sure that I can put my hand on my heart and says that I examined them the same manner that I examine an observation of obni.

Ken:
To this point I spoke you for an hour. I would like to ask questions you more but I do not want to presume on you. Do you Etes-vous well?

Nick Pope:
I am happy to to keep to go for a little.

Ken:
Could I change my band?

Nick Pope:
Sure.

Ken:
Thank you. Well, I am return in the matters.

Nick Pope:
Well, I do not know how much questions you more prepared?

Ken:
I will not cross all the questions. I formulated 54 questions, because I did not know how much time every question would take and it seems that we can do about 24 questions in about an hour.
Nick Pope:
Well, we does 24, I will not carry myself voluntary to go completely to 55. This probably would take the remainder in the evening.

Ken:
Of course, I would not do that. I will jump a lot of questions here.

Nick Pope:
Ouais, I am happy to to still to cause 15 minutes or something and replies as that to any really important questions that you can want to cover.

Ken:
Well. I want to ask you Gary McKinnon, isn't that right the?

Nick Pope:
I am, that will be a very quick response nevertheless, because the legal event always is continuous. I do not want to discuss that I am afraid.

Ken:
That well, I will jump it.
The next question is just a personal opinion. What do you know the Fact that the scientists declared that 95% of our DNA is foreign, and you think about that?

Nick Pope:
I am not familiar with that and I guess my question would be, scientific which said that? No I am not familiar with this complaint to all. When they say the foreigner, I do not do minimized how they could say that? No I am really not familiar with this complaint and I extremely would be astonished if the this is a complaint of the principal current. ...

Ken:
The this is Project of Genome.

Nick Pope:
Well. ...

Ken:
The this is scientists treating the Project of Genome. They took out in fact and said that.

Nick Pope:
The foreigner, I mean. ...

Ken:
As in not to be Earth.

Nick Pope:
Ah, well now. ....

Ken:
Not as in the foreigner

Nick Pope:
Maybe there the purchase in to the theory of Panspermia that organic equipment came to Earth besides. The this is not a field that I know. I am it in a very offhand manner, not a scientist the one.

Ken:
How of this, you are very familiar with the removed view. You never heard about a removed viewer takes that it thought was the interior of an obni?

Nick Pope:
I heard about that, but again it it was literature. I should say that the Ministry of Defense had a project type to examine the possibility of removed view, a long time after the Americans had launched their project that was Stargate The Ministry of Defense came very last to this special phase. The it was 2001 before the Ministry of Defense work begun on student the removed view to see so does not import that could show the removed view. Of course I was not implied in him and discovered years later of him. The it was a very interesting project, but if it never developed in an operational project, I do not know. I saw books by certain of the Americans as David Morehouse that did a number of complaints, but I seen nothing likes that in the British projects. Incident the British study is something that is again on the Ministry of site internet of Defense. Go to the MOD.Royaume-Uni and to the type in the removed view and you will see what we British were even to.

Ken:
Disinformation is the conversation subject between a lot of persons today. You probably fell on him you. Without naming names, you feel that there are the organizations of obni that are there only go out disinformation?

Nick Pope:
No I think that there is a number of organizations of individual obni that go out of the news that is to cheat it simple. But in my experience, certainly in Great Britain, I does not see any proof that the government or MOD used the organizations of obni go out disinformation. In a direction they should not do a thing. The community of obni is their worse own enemy. I think that there is as much noise as the it was and it so small substance sometimes. The governments do not have the disinformation of usage.

Ken:
I want to ask you obni that was at the airport of o'hare to Chicago. You never spoke does not import that of that?

Nick Pope:
No I have not. It only was published a week or two there is. I saw the report of NARCAP. by Ted Eggs

Ken:
Ouais, that where they say that the it was a danger to air the circulation.

Nick Pope:
Ouais I must am totally honest with you, because of the length of shears of the report, I did not read it his entire one nevertheless, but I think his of, that I saw, his a splendid piece of work by NARCAP. I think that this is a fantastic one, really something that should have a correct scientific investigation and you cannot have flying obni about in the aerial controlled space. The Federal agency of Aviation or of others should look at this very seriously. His to interest that there were thousands of reports of the pilots and inspectors and the other people in the aviation, therefore they do their work.

Ken:
What do you think about all the observations to Mexico? Thousands and people thousands saw them. I will not enter not into the report, I think that you know them. They never seem to do the papers, at least to the United States, why do you think that that is?

Nick Pope:
I think that certain of are them probably balls of helium sinking the wind, be honest. I do not say that there is the an again interesting step there inside. His step something that I followed also closely, but I go next month, when the east, in just almost three weeks time, I am in D.C. for the lecture of X. I think, memory, that Jamie Maussan. ...
Ken:
I was going to ask you if you knew Jamie Maussan?

Nick Pope:
I think that it is one of the high others speakers there and it can be although after the lecture of X, I think that Jamie will be there and I can obtain for him to ask this question.

Ken:
A lot of recorded communications are said to exist that proves that the astronauts were followed by obni and retrieved obni visionaries. You never received document to indicate that this is true and you believe that this arrived?

Nick Pope:
Well I think that the this is a question of public report that the people like that the Tonnelier of Gordon and Edgar Mitchel and the people did as that of the commentaries of obni, certain of which one these relates to them are seen, certain of which one these relates to their conviction, returning to the question of which declaration comes from the first knowledge of hand and which declaration is the conviction. I think that someone sent me one of the very a lot of videos that is about on the subject, the other day. There are all kinds of things floating about in the space. When they take the sun light, they can appear maybe bigger than they are and adjust literally the definition of obni, because the astronauts do not know that they are, they are obni. Of course now to the true lectures of NASA, the people of NASA will say that these probably are crystals of ice, maybe of spatial trade or of the stuffs or of material very simple other, the equipment of the bay of shuttle or things as that. I am not one of the swellings that NASA is part of a cover of obni in top. NASA would like the beings obni, they probably would quadruple their budget of the day to the next day. If yes, there are strange things that the astronauts saw, but I think that they are some difficult times, because they are pushed in a documentary of obni and you obtain from the people that really are not qualified to know that they look at. I talk about go deeply in to do contact.

Ken:
Here what I wanted to ask you. You never heard about the obni that were visible by the twin ones, in of other terms with the helped eye that could not be seen with the nude eye and were not at a distance that excluded from them is seen with the nude eye?

Nick Pope:
No, I did not fall on does not import what likes that.

Ken:
Well I have, that is why I asked you the question.

Nick Pope:
I cannot say that I have. Maybe there is one or two cases in the files of MOD. I did not look at only every case to right of the at the beginning of jusqua� the end. Nothing should be eliminated in Great Britain

Ken:
Well it the kind of attach in with the people that took photos, just take a sky photo, did not see does not import what there, and nevertheless when they looked at the photo they saw an obni on the picture.

Nick Pope:
I am certainly familiar with a lot a lot of cases where that arrived. I think that in a lot of these cases that were examined the it was more probable to be the camera himself. I do not eliminate something on the photo.

Ken:
At last this is your chance to discuss does not import although you would like to.

Nick Pope:
Well well I will do em. .., I guess that my allegiencey to the phenomenon of obni student the questions of important defense. I have not knowledge that constitutes a rifle smoking and I am not conscious of does not import what that could belong to this category. It indicates without any doubts in the manner to obni, but it has not anything in the proof manner that I can show imports that. I think, really as a closing declaration, that I would say that I think that there is the various natural phenomenon I know that this probably is a very unpopular declaration for a researcher of obni. If there is life outside and I am rather sure that there is, I suspect that our proof will jump in top by the community of obni. It probably will come by the radio astronomy. And I think that it is interested notably that what arrived, er which arrives as for the things as the Picture of Kilometer of Square, that is the next generation of big spatial tedledscope.

Ken:
We call it the big picture, the this is the same thing.

Nick Pope:
You obtained the Very Big Picture, that already is operational that I think am in the usage. My comprehension is that the Picture of Kilometer of Square or goes to..., construction did not begin nevertheless.

Ken:
Oh!

Nick Pope:
This is the next generation the one. It will be constructed, they had four sites, the last one I saw they had two final sites, the one is in Australia I think, the other is at South Africa. It will not be operational until 2020, but when it is operational, his sensitiveness and the strength will be several orders of what you have now. Certainly I am conscious that they believe that there are other civilizations outside, certainly in hundred light years of here. This a distance that contains several thousand stars. Any signal that emanates should be detected. I have big hopes and I think that these hopes will show themselves in SETI and the unity of astronomy of radio. I think that they are, but that is just the manner that I feel currently.

Ken:
Discussion is finished officially now and I wanted to say just that I appreciated it really.

Nick Pope
I appreciated it also.
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References:
The Project of Revelation - A people group interested of all walks of life that try to obtain the government United States to relax all data of obni and the foreign, so any technology.
The incident of OBNI of Forest of Rendlesham - in the month of December of 1980, an obni landed in wood outside a basis of army of the air in Great Britain, the IT WAS handled by Americans that saw the trade and examined the landing with the British.
Project the Blue Book - A project of army of the air to explain the observations of obni.
Gordon Williams - A British General that was said to have said that it spoke with the foreigners during the incident of Forest of Rendlesham.
The Basis of Army of the air of Malmstrom - in 1967 an obni was on this basis United States in the Montana when several missiles were removed lignee suddenly.
Giorgio Bongiovanni - An Italian that was allowed interviewing a Russian General of obni. The KGB was so present.
Bobsled Lazar - A person that claims to have been engineer to Sector 51 that said that it saw an obni and there was employed to reverse the engineer them.
Catch the Harbor - AN incident of obni that arrived to the Canada in 1967 where an obni was said to be crashed in water only to be followed by a second the one.
Gary McKinnon - A British computer pirate celebrates that cut in NASA and the army of United States. It was taken and was claimed that it found the data of important secret obni.
The removed View - A technique that was used during the cold war by the United States, Great Britain and the Soviet Union to see in the places while to remain at a location. It was not said to have limit as removed as distance was concerned.
Jamie Maussan - A journalist of new ones of Mexican tv celebrates that specializes in the report of obni.
The sector 51 - A secret United States Air the Basis of Force.

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